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and shine a light on the conspiracies to

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welcome to night vision radio

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hey everybody so glad you could join us

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tonight this is uh this wonderful

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holiday season i hope everybody's

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enjoying it not rushing around too much

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and getting too involved in the

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materialism around christmas uh a lot of

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us are probably struggling this time of

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the year so uh hopefully we'll all

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remember the true meaning of the season

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and maybe just do something nice for

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somebody else

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now i got a great show planned for the

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night i'm really excited uh but before

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we get started i wanted to make a little

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announcement uh you guys most of you if

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you've listened to my show for very long

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you know gloria amendola she's a

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recurring guest on my show she's one of

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my good friends she and i do uh tours to

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europe to england and france together

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and she's also also the author of

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several books

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the latest one's just been released

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on mary magdalene

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and it is now available it's just been

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released so go to

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gravedistractionspublishing.com

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gravedistractions.com i should say and

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check it out uh there's a series of

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three books this is the third one and

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you're gonna love it but but what i

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really wanted to tell you about was an

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event that gloria's having if you happen

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to be

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up there in the north east in in the

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northeast in the greater hartford

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connecticut area she's having a winter

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solstice 2015 event and it's about uh

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well i guess it's winter solstice

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i guess you would say it's on sunday

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december 21st

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2014 from 7 00 to 9 00 pm

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if you want more information on it it's

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actually

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about wealth consciousness so i i guess

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that's something we could all use so

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please give gloria a look-see over at

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her website gloria amendola.com this is

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a great event uh

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she's done this in the past for years

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and she gets absolute great feedback

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from these events and everyone is uh

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always has a great time and also learns

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something so that's doubly good

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but without further delay i want to get

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right into tonight's show

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gosh um tonight my guest is an old

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um an old colleague we worked together

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for years on ufo magazine

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and also on his radio show for five

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years called ufos tonight and

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he's

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strong-armed me a time or two on his

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show and i've definitely strong-armed

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him more than that onto my show and i'm

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so glad that he's back tonight welcome

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ufo

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director and author dawn ecker oh also

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host to dark matters radio can't forget

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that i'll get in trouble

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hey dawn

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hey renee how you doing girl i'm doing

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fine i'm doing fine you know i i was

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thinking about

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you know what i wanted to do this week

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on the show and i was thinking it might

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be fun it's strong arming me on to

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tonight you mean that's right well

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you know you guys uh opened uh opened it

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up you should have never called me or

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your wife should have never called me or

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i wouldn't have even thought of this

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thing what happened was don's wife vicki

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who was the founder and editor-in-chief

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of ufo magazine uh who i worked directly

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with there at the magazine uh happened

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to call me left a message and when i

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called back i got don well we started

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gassing for about you know an hour so i

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thought well why don't we do this on the

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air so we were talking about reminiscing

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about the ufo days and about ufo

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magazine and some of the cases that came

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our way

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the best cases i guess the best deficit

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evidence the historical cases some of

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the biggest hoaxes and some of the worst

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cover-ups i think uh

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as i call it renee the good the bad the

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ugly

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but uh anyhow

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you know getting into it um

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what drew you originally uh to this

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subject matter and then you know of

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course later obviously you married the

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the uh publisher of ufo magazine so i i

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imagine you kind of inherited it by then

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but you are already well into the

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subject matter yourself well not not

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only did i marry her renee

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you were at the wedding

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that's right

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21 years ago today oh my god that's so

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crazy today is our anniversary yeah now

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i gotta just tell just a tiny bit of

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that story

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we decided or they decided it wasn't

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really my decision

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that they were going to get married on

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the air on on the radio show ufos

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tonight we did it every saturday night

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without fail for

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at least five years

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that i was there

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dawn if you remember

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you were hell bent you were going to

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host that show

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you sure are you sure yeah oh yeah i can

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do it then at the last minute you go

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renee you got to do the show

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i was thrown into it i wasn't hosting uh

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a radio show at that time but i got

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thrown into that one

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but we had all kinds of ufo you got a

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heck of a job too i might add

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oh well thank you i believe me i had no

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idea what the heck i was doing but uh we

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had all kinds of luminaries calling in

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like zechariah sitchin and who were some

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of the other people don

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but hopkins yep but

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i was thinking about

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yeah david jacobs kevin randle

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yeah uh god i you know i'd have to go

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back and dig that show out to

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hear who all did call in

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the other thing was they said it would

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never last that's right oh my gosh

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that's right you're still together after

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and i'm still friends with both of you

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hey that's an accomplishment in itself

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but don you know some of the things i

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was thinking about today after you and i

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were gabbing on the phone for a while

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and i was thinking about um

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or yesterday i guess

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the uh the gulf breeze incident

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uh back in what was it 1987

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big big ufo flap as they call them

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documentation and newspaper articles and

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then i remember there was something

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about one guy who had taken some footage

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and then they found a paper plate ufo in

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his attic so the whole thing was a hoax

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so what was the deal on that and what do

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you think about that story today

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well the the guy that

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that shot the footage originally was a

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fellow by the name of ed walters oh yeah

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his wife's name i believe was francis

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and uh that case broke

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and for whatever reason

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you know and a lot of people had seen

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something flying around in the skies

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something apparently

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was definitely in the sky

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however the other thing and you know me

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doing an investigation to the fullest

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ability i had

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that was a an area surrounded by

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military bases

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have been

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military aircraft experimental aircraft

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whatever i don't know

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ed walters contacted some of the folks

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in mufon back in those days walt anders

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was the uh international director

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one of the the people that sent i

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was naval optical physicist bruce mcabee

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now maccabee got walters a camera set up

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taking uh dual photographs

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where they would would merge them

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together i forget now all the ins and

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outs but the next time that walters

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uh had a feeling he would get these

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feelings according to what he said at

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the time

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that something was going to show up he

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ran out and took some photographs

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that later bruce mcabee uh did an

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optical analysis on

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now uh

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matt could be pretty much signed on to

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that now what you were talking about

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as far as somebody finding a model in

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this case always struck me as odd i i

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think initially that there was something

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definitely there

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uh the model that was found well first

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walters had moved out of that house

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case had achieved

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international acclaim it wasn't only in

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florida gulf breeze

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it wasn't only in the united states but

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it literally

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went around the entire globe i mean

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everybody had at one point or another

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heard about the gulp breeze case and

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actually almost a stream of different tv

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tremendously covered then

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when the story broke that this young guy

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had found a model

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ed walters former attic the house that

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he formerly owned

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i later learned or heard that the model

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uh paper mache and some other things

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allegedly had had blueprints

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that ed walters had had drawn and

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designed and then the the implication

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was later he used this to make this

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model to hoax the case

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is it entirely a hoax

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i've never believed that i've known

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people personally that have gone down

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the gulf breeze

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and witnessed

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an object in the skies down there as a

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matter of fact this thing even got a

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nickname

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they called it bubba oh look there's

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bubba in the sky

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and one of the guys that had been down

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there and witnessed this renee

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was my is my now friday night co-host

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richard sarah day

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you know rich right oh yeah of course

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well richard actually had been down in

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that part of the country with his family

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a number of years ago and they saw this

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thing

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bet but as far as the whole waters case

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uh i got to tell you my my uh

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thinking is a lot of that is still in my

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gray basket

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oh wow

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you know so yeah i had the feeling at

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the time that oh maybe they were hoaxing

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it but then when you really look at all

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the people that saw things there had to

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be something that they were seeing like

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you said we don't know what that was

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uh but

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there definitely was something that

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people were seeing other than ed and

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francis walters and i i did also wonder

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whether somebody planted that

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model or whatever that was to sort of

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make it look like it was a hoax to sort

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of maybe cover it up even if it wasn't

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ufos if it was some

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you know black ops project or something

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like that they still would have wanted

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to cover that up so

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uh but that's good but thanks for thanks

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for going back into that now another one

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that i know everybody's going to know

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about

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but they probably don't know the essence

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or the i guess i should say the genesis

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of the story and that

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is and this is another one i want to

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know what you think about it today the

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alien autopsy

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oh my god not very many people know

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that that started

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actually with you

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getting a tape

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yeah well

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the the alien autopsy case and today

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it's considered to be a

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a huge hoax

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perpetrators literally

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millions of dollars

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ray santilli is the name most frequently

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associated with that case

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uh another guy who was a german

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investor into this a fellow by the name

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of volker spielberg

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was a another guy involved in this case

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and it was quite frankly

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uh a mish mash from the very beginning

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i received i was in europe

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in

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1993 my wife vicki and i were over there

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as speakers at the first international

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world ufo congress

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and one of the people that uh

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i connected with over there was a

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british researcher

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by the name of phil mantle

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now after we

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got back to the states i guess it was

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sometime in january

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mantle called me up

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and he had somehow connected with this

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case now

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i gotta tell you

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i

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have always had my doubts about what

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mantle

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may have known or didn't know

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but i will say this i do not feel that

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he played straight with me

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from the get-go

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he had called me up and asked me if i

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had heard about

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an alleged bit of roswell ufo wreckage

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uh film that had been discovered

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by a producer

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by the name of spielberg now

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obviously who's the first person

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renee that you would think

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well steven spielberg

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right

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so he said

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and i understand that some people in the

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states

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he said uh know about this he said could

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you check it out

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well back back in the early 90s as as

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you will well re recall

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uh we were on doing tv uh out of ufo

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magazine all the time

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i mean in a week out you know we would

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have uh tv production companies calling

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us up wanting to interview us all types

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of

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new news programs too oh yeah yeah

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larry king live

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yeah well

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by as a result of all that i knew a lot

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of of uh tv

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producers and i started making some

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calls to find out

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if there was any truth to this now one

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of the people i talked to

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was a producer at the time

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with fox by the name of robert kivian

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kivia told me he would do a little

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checking on this

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and get back to me well

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as it turned out he did he made some

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inquiries at fox

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nobody was really aware of this but then

421
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they found out

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that uh there was going to be a

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a

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so

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kivia got back to me and said look he

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said i'm going to be flying over to the

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uk to the united kingdom

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he said and see what the story is on

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this well

430
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basically the guy with the footage was a

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uh

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was a an entrepreneur shall we say ray

433
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santilli

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and basically what they were doing were

435
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opening the bids

436
00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:24,160
for this thing he was bound and

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determined and ultimately ended up

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making a killing

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00:19:33,430 --> 00:19:30,880
on this

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as a little bit of time went on

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caveat came back and obviously fox was

442
00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:45,520
in the the the bidding war for this

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other little bits and pieces of this

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started to filter out supposedly

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this was the story

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a world war ii combat photographer

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had supposedly

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been there with his military equipment

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filming

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this autopsy after the roswell crash

451
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:13,039
now

452
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in those days

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00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:18,160
as renee had mentioned i was doing

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00:20:25,270 --> 00:20:21,600
my weekly radio program my weekly radio

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show ufos tonight and it was

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at the risk of of sounding a little full

457
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of myself

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it was

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prime source for the material at the

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time because you did it in the same way

461
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that the magazine was done and you know

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is i know vicky used to always say you

463
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know that we always try to take a very

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journalistic approach to a very fringe

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subject and i i felt the show did the

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same thing so that i appreciated that

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00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:56,960
about it well obviously and the fact

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00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:58,880
that i'm a medically retired criminal

469
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:01,360
investigator i was a police detective i

470
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mean when i went into this

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it was with the idea of trying to garner

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whatever facts

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were available

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00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:11,600
so

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people the fans of ufos tonight that

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tuned in were in the film

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and tv industry

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and it turned out that

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one or two of those guys

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basically had

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fathers that had been combat

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photographers during world war ii

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in other words these were the guys over

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in the pacific

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when the marines would go into a

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japanese-held island

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these guys would go in and film it for

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the military archives

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and the same thing in europe

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00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:57,679
well they come from a very small click

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00:22:01,590 --> 00:22:00,080
of guys they all

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00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:01,600
knew each other

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00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:03,440
so i figured okay

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00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:06,960
well if this was legitimate if this guy

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that supposedly shot this

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really was a combat photographer

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00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:15,120
it's going to be fairly simple

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00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:17,919
for me and these guys to figure out who

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it was

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well the bottom line was

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we could never find anybody

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and i was

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skeptical and suspicious to say the very

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least

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so

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what i did was part of the story

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involved the actual film

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leader on these roles of film

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was from kodak

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now the way that

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as i discovered when they were using

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this actual

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film stock

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the dates and codes on these rolls of

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film

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they used a code

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like in 1947

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there would be a code on it then the

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00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:09,760
next time they would would change the

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code

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would be like 20 years later and

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supposedly

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this this leader from 1947

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was the correct film leader that was on

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this material okay

526
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this was the story so i called up kodak

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and i spoke to somebody very high in the

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company

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and basically it wasn't quite like what

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00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:39,840
these guys were trying to tell me

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from england so i called

532
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england and i spoke directly

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to ray santilli and i asked him some

534
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very pointed

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questions

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and to make a long story short as i

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00:24:03,750 --> 00:23:58,159
later found out the s-o-b

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00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:06,950
the bottom line was i was convinced it

539
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:09,440
was a hoax and that's what we ran in the

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00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:12,000
magazine

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00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:13,039
yep

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00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:19,919
winston i guess sort of gave uh a slight

543
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:22,400
uh credence to it when he said you know

544
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if it's

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00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:27,440
one i you know

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00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:30,080
whoever did this was a you know and

547
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:31,679
really knew how to do special effects

548
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:33,200
this would have been very difficult to

549
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:36,080
do do you remember that yeah but that's

550
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:39,120
crap but i think then didn't we

551
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:41,760
also then later interview stan winston

552
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or maybe you even had him on the show i

553
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:45,279
don't remember but

554
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:47,360
i interviewed god i interviewed

555
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:50,159
pathologists on the show

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00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,240
uh do you remember that i can't think

557
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:54,000
now cyril wett

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00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:57,360
yes sarah wecht yep i interviewed him he

559
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:00,240
was attached to this story yep he was

560
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:03,520
too and i think what they both said was

561
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:04,640
whatever

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00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:05,919
they were putting out there had just

563
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:08,400
sort of been taken out of context

564
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:12,080
and they weren't really uh endorsing

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00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:14,720
but wait there's more oh gosh can you

566
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:16,320
hold it because we're getting ready to

567
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go to break absolutely

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and um we'll be right back so please

569
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:24,240
stay tuned i'm talking with don ecker

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and we'll be right back with more on

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you're listening to irn

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welcome back you're listening to night

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00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:47,679
vision radio i'm your host renee barnett

633
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:50,640
and we are talking with don ecker he's

634
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:52,559
an author he's the former research

635
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:55,520
director of ufo magazine and he is the

636
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:58,080
host of dark matters radio we're talking

637
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:01,200
about ufo cases we were just uh speaking

638
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:03,679
about the alien autopsy and don had

639
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:05,760
something else he wanted to share

640
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:08,399
oh yeah this this story kept getting

641
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:10,880
better and better renee

642
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:15,039
so okay i guess basically if if we're

643
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:18,640
going by degrees of separation

644
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:22,399
i was ground zero for the alien autopsy

645
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:25,360
getting into american tv right

646
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:28,880
now absolutely before i decided

647
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:31,679
that uh the whole thing was a bucket of

648
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:33,760
you know what

649
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:35,440
i was just

650
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:40,320
anxious as could be to see this tape to

651
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:42,320
see this this film

652
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:45,440
and you know hey i i took it originally

653
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:47,200
to kibby it right

654
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:49,120
right so they

655
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,760
they get it at fox

656
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:53,360
they bring it back

657
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:58,240
and i'm sitting there on my tail end

658
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:01,200
for weeks and weeks

659
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:04,240
and i would call kivy it up and i'd say

660
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:05,440
bob

661
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:09,120
okay you got the the film uh i want to

662
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:10,799
come over and see it

663
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:13,200
well i i i can't show you yet but don't

664
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:15,600
worry don you're gonna see it

665
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:19,600
so this kept up until like

666
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:23,760
about a week or so before the show

667
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:26,240
was scheduled to run the first time

668
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:27,600
on the air

669
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:30,960
so finally i get done with ufos tonight

670
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:33,840
one saturday night we get home vicki and

671
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:35,200
i get back

672
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:37,840
to our house from the studio

673
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:40,159
i come in you know i was going to watch

674
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:42,720
a little bit of tv i guess it was about

675
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:44,399
11 30

676
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:46,159
and the phone rings

677
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:47,120
now

678
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:51,600
you get a phone call

679
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:54,399
it's generally what horrible news bad

680
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:55,840
news

681
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:58,720
and i'm thinking to myself oh god now

682
00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:01,120
what is this so i answered the phone

683
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:02,080
hello

684
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:04,880
and it's bob kevin he says don he says

685
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:05,919
don

686
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:08,240
come on down to my office tomorrow 10

687
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:10,960
o'clock he said you can finally see the

688
00:31:15,510 --> 00:31:12,720
show the film

689
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:15,520
and i'm like uh oh yeah okay all right

690
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:16,559
fine

691
00:31:19,909 --> 00:31:17,360
so

692
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:19,919
i go in and i tell vicki i said hey we

693
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:22,000
can go down and take a look at this uh

694
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:24,640
this film footage of the infamous

695
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:27,360
alien body being autopsy

696
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:30,159
oh okay when i said well tomorrow

697
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:33,360
morning sunday morning 10 o'clock

698
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:36,159
so we get up about eight you know have

699
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:38,720
coffee to bite a breakfast you know get

700
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:39,919
dressed

701
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:43,200
drive over to kybet's offices

702
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:44,480
go in

703
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:47,120
he's in there we sit down

704
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:50,320
he says okay don he pops this thing in

705
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:51,840
turns it on

706
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:54,960
now i got to tell you i'm just a little

707
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:57,919
bit renee underwhelmed

708
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:58,880
okay

709
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:01,679
was it interesting definitely

710
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:05,039
did i think it was real well i i wasn't

711
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:07,279
sure at that point

712
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:08,640
did it look

713
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:11,360
real well somebody did a fairly good job

714
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:12,480
on it

715
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:15,279
so we watch it it runs to the end it was

716
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:17,679
only a few minutes actually

717
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:20,159
he turns it off he says well what do you

718
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:23,440
think you know how kivia talks right

719
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:24,480
yeah

720
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:26,399
i said uh

721
00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:28,640
yeah well i gotta tell you it's it's

722
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:30,320
interesting

723
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:32,720
he said well don he said i want you to

724
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:35,279
come on board as the researcher

725
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:38,960
uh on the on the cameraman

726
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:41,760
and i said what he said yeah

727
00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:43,200
he said i want you to do all the

728
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:45,200
research i said bob this thing's going

729
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:47,919
to air in a week

730
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:50,080
well yeah can't you do it a week he says

731
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:52,640
look he says there's your desk and he

732
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:56,080
pointed to this desk there's your phone

733
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:58,240
you know all this stuff and i said well

734
00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:01,120
we haven't discussed anything we haven't

735
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:02,320
discussed

736
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:04,159
you know what what you're offering to

737
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:06,000
pay me or anything

738
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:10,320
and then the room got dead silent renee

739
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:12,000
now remember

740
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:15,039
who was hosting this

741
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:17,760
jonathan frakes right

742
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:20,559
commander beefcake from star trek the

743
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,799
next generation okay

744
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:24,720
jonathan frakes

745
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:28,240
and i looked at bob and i said well

746
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,159
what's the story he said well he said we

747
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:32,880
don't have a budget to pay you

748
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:34,000
i said

749
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:35,840
what are you saying

750
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:37,679
well he said

751
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:39,679
i'm saying i don't have any money to pay

752
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:41,600
you but i want you

753
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:44,880
to come in and do the research on this

754
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:47,919
and i kind of got this grin on my face

755
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:51,120
and i said bob let me ask you a question

756
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,559
what i said is jonathan frakes doing

757
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:56,880
this gratis too

758
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:58,480
and you know that's where the

759
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:01,360
conversation died right there

760
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:04,880
you know ufo magazine was at at most a

761
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:05,840
three

762
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:08,560
operation he wanted me to take a week or

763
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:11,520
more off of my regular job to go in

764
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:13,679
there and do this for nothing i mean

765
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:14,560
that

766
00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:21,440
ridiculous he made so much money um

767
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:23,119
there was so much money made on that if

768
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:24,720
you remember it

769
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:26,320
they aired it

770
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:29,119
twice and then they four times and then

771
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:32,560
they debunked it twice yeah so they you

772
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:38,149
but now what i want to know is because

773
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:40,079
you know as you know and

774
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:43,520
as as some of our listeners know

775
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:46,159
after i did ufo magazine

776
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:48,399
ufo magazine was actually my springboard

777
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:50,399
into television

778
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:52,639
i went from there to do strange universe

779
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:55,520
which was about all this uh ufos and

780
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:57,839
paranormal subject matter

781
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:59,680
and um

782
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:01,440
i

783
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:18,880
autopsy

784
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:23,040
who say that the footage that they saw

785
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:26,800
was so bad and so dark that fox asked

786
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:28,800
them to recreate it

787
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,760
and i know guys that i could name i

788
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:33,599
don't i don't really want to i didn't i

789
00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:35,119
didn't have their permission i didn't

790
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:37,119
think about it or i would have asked

791
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:37,920
that

792
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:50,800
footage now i wonder if the delay delay

793
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:51,920
delay

794
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:53,440
you know you and i've never talked about

795
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:56,720
this aspect of it that you got

796
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:57,520
from

797
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:00,880
um them delaying showing you the footage

798
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:02,800
was actually the time that they were

799
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:05,920
taking to create the new footage

800
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:07,359
is that possible

801
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,480
well i gotta tell you renee i've never

802
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:12,480
heard that before

803
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:15,760
tonight wow i've never heard that

804
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:18,800
so is it possible i suppose actually

805
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:20,560
anything is possible

806
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:22,320
but i never heard that until you just

807
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:24,480
said it now yep

808
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:28,160
i absolutely i i will attest to that

809
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:30,560
know people very very well i would

810
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:32,720
consider them you know friends and work

811
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:34,000
colleagues that

812
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:36,720
talked about it many times

813
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:38,800
many times about the alien autopsy and

814
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:41,839
how it was put together this case now as

815
00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:44,880
you know i i was in the center of

816
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:48,880
so much ufo material for so long that

817
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:51,599
this is actually the first time that i

818
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:53,200
even thought about

819
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:56,400
the autopsy in probably

820
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:03,589
so it's been it's been a long time that

821
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:05,200
that uh

822
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:07,920
since i've i've thought much about

823
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:10,000
anything concerning that as a matter of

824
00:37:16,630 --> 00:37:12,880
fact you know the bottom line was for me

825
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:16,640
i considered it to be a huge hoax and a

826
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:17,520
lie

827
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:20,000
and i pretty much put it out of my head

828
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:22,720
but there are and i know this for a fact

829
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:25,599
there are still people today

830
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:28,720
that believe that that was was real

831
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:32,079
oh yes you know there there are so many

832
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:35,440
ins and outs people that i talked with

833
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:37,200
people in the uk

834
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:40,079
people in france people in in the united

835
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:41,200
states

836
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:44,960
that uh i'm i'm just a thousand percent

837
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:48,720
convinced it was totally ooey from the

838
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:50,640
from the get-go

839
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:52,560
hmm

840
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:53,359
yeah

841
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:55,280
well that's thanks for that that that

842
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:57,599
was interesting i'm uh glad we had that

843
00:38:01,589 --> 00:37:59,119
conversation because you and i have

844
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:01,599
never discussed that aspect of it so

845
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:04,400
uh anyhow okay next well i'm gonna throw

846
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:06,480
in a question from the chat room if you

847
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:09,920
don't mind because oh first uh i wanted

848
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:11,920
to let you know we've got somebody that

849
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:13,839
showed up in the chat room that's

850
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:17,040
calling himself producer jeff

851
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:19,839
i wonder who that could be

852
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:22,960
mr jeff i say hey

853
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:23,839
yeah

854
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:26,320
jeff floro uh has turned up for

855
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:29,040
tonight's show he also worked with don

856
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:32,880
and i on ufos tonight jeff white and

857
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:34,240
producer

858
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:37,760
that's right and he also uh worked on

859
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,079
night vision for the first six years six

860
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:42,720
almost seven years of it and

861
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,000
first and foremost he is the um composer

862
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:50,400
the uh arranger

863
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:53,119
and the performer of my theme song for

864
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:55,760
night vision so everybody i i my chat

865
00:39:02,710 --> 00:38:59,599
room um my chat roomies always uh

866
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:02,720
complement that music theme and so i

867
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:04,480
just let them know a little while ago

868
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:05,920
that it was jeff so they've been

869
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,240
chatting away with jeff in the chat room

870
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:10,400
so thanks for joining us tonight jeff

871
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:14,000
he's also been christmas jeff

872
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:16,079
he said yeah we learned a lot and saw a

873
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:18,400
lot working with dawn on ufos tonight

874
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:20,480
well yeah we can't talk about that

875
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:25,430
but anyhow yeah that was great those

876
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:27,760
were the days but anyhow uh from the

877
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:30,640
chat room bill from new york wanted to

878
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:32,079
know uh

879
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:34,720
what was your take on all the ufo

880
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:38,240
sightings in pennsylvania in the 60s

881
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:41,359
well of course one of the most famous

882
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:43,920
because you're from pennsylvania yes

883
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:46,480
yeah one of the most famous cases that i

884
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:49,520
remember vividly when it happened

885
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,760
was the 1965

886
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:53,280
kecksburg

887
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:55,119
ufo case

888
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:59,119
now that was a case where allegedly

889
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:00,480
something

890
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:03,119
came down from the sky

891
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:06,560
crashed just outside it's a small small

892
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:07,520
town

893
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:10,560
uh of kecksburg a small village or

894
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:11,760
whatever

895
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:16,560
and uh it created such a

896
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:17,680
uh

897
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:19,760
and that's been now

898
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:21,440
very shortly

899
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:24,480
it's been 49 years we're heading into

900
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:26,720
the 50th year ago

901
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:29,760
that this case occurred

902
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:32,640
and it involved

903
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:36,640
the united states air force

904
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:39,760
there are stories that came out that the

905
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:42,960
air force out of pittsburgh

906
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:46,560
came over hauled something away on a

907
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:48,480
huge

908
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:51,760
flatbed truck surrounded by armed air

909
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:57,430
at the time a lot of people thought it

910
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,480
was an extraterrestrial craft

911
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:03,119
uh i now i've gotta gotta tell you i was

912
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:06,720
never a first-hand researcher

913
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:09,359
on that case although

914
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:10,800
i know

915
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:14,480
several of the first-hand researchers on

916
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:20,950
it's a case that to this

917
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:22,400
day

918
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:25,359
and i'm talking about 2014 this happened

919
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:28,000
in 1965

920
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:32,480
still divides the town of kecksburg

921
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:34,240
into those people that believe it was

922
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:36,480
e.t and those other people that believe

923
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:37,599
it was

924
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:41,040
not or a total hoax

925
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:45,680
now what i did do was when when uh

926
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:48,720
things started to creep out about this

927
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:50,880
case i did do

928
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:54,800
some research into space law

929
00:42:02,309 --> 00:41:58,640
and the reason i did that was

930
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:02,319
one of these suggestions that popped up

931
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:06,000
at the time and remember 1965

932
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:08,960
at that point in our history

933
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:12,880
the united states and the soviet union

934
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:16,800
were in a neck and neck race

935
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:20,079
outer space to put somebody on the moon

936
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:23,280
one of the suggestions was that it might

937
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:25,520
have been some kind

938
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:28,400
of russian or soviet

939
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:30,880
space hardware

940
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:34,400
that we grabbed and carted off

941
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:37,200
now had that of happened

942
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:38,800
we would have been

943
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:40,160
guilty

944
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:41,599
of breaking

945
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:42,560
law

946
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,839
treaties

947
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:49,680
with the soviets

948
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:53,119
that if we had some space hardware that

949
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,720
came down that they got their hands on

950
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:58,560
they had to give it back

951
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:01,440
and vice versa if we got our hands on

952
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:03,920
some of their stuff we had to give it

953
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:08,000
back now what's the bottom line well i

954
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:11,119
don't know it's one of those cases that

955
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:12,800
still today

956
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:15,119
will cause a raging

957
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:16,319
debate

958
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:17,760
but

959
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:21,119
at the time that the case happened

960
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:24,240
i was living in my hometown in central

961
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:29,200
western pennsylvania this made news

962
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:30,560
everywhere

963
00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:33,040
and it was if i'm in for some reason

964
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:34,240
renee

965
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:35,680
the date

966
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:38,800
of december the 11th is running in my

967
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:41,040
mind i don't know if that was the exact

968
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:41,839
day

969
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,319
that it happened but for some reason

970
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:46,720
that's the date that i'm thinking of but

971
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:49,200
it i know it was december

972
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:52,640
of 65 i remember it was cold

973
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:54,400
it was snowy

974
00:44:01,990 --> 00:43:58,480
uh in my hometown and when that happened

975
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:02,000
uh everybody on local radio and tv was

976
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:03,839
talking about it then

977
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:05,760
it went black

978
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:09,040
it totally no more no more came out

979
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:11,839
about it until years later so that was

980
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:14,480
always i thought a very interesting case

981
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:16,400
wow yeah it was december 9th i just

982
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:18,160
looked it up

983
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:19,520
now bill

984
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:21,680
wanted to know do you know whether that

985
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:24,720
object was taken to write patterson

986
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:26,000
no idea

987
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:30,800
didn't take anything away so

988
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:33,599
but there were a lot of witnesses now

989
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:37,440
the object in question was described

990
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:42,000
as being about the size of a volkswagen

991
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:44,400
beetle bug okay

992
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:46,240
the old beetle bug

993
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:50,079
and it was an acorn shaped object

994
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:52,480
according to witnesses that claim to see

995
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:53,200
it

996
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:56,160
but the air force has just clammed up

997
00:45:02,230 --> 00:44:59,440
about it so whatever it was no idea

998
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:02,240
where they took it no idea what did they

999
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:05,359
do with it no idea

1000
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:07,040
wow

1001
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:08,079
now i guess

1002
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:10,079
you know we can't do a show about

1003
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:13,280
historical ufo cases without bringing up

1004
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:16,880
um the big e roswell

1005
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:18,800
now

1006
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:20,800
all these years down the road

1007
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:23,119
uh now i know i can remember us having

1008
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:24,720
of course you know you were good friends

1009
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:26,400
with with uh

1010
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:28,640
doctor now kevin randle

1011
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:31,280
um who did extensive work and don

1012
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:33,680
schmidt on on

1013
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:36,319
on the subject of roswell

1014
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:38,160
you were also

1015
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:41,359
interviewed witnesses you

1016
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:43,920
interviewed

1017
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:45,839
jesse marcel

1018
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:46,960
yeah well i

1019
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:49,440
actually i also discovered a first-hand

1020
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:50,480
witness

1021
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:52,560
to the case if you remember thomas

1022
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:54,079
gonzalez

1023
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:56,800
yes okay you know i was gonna bring that

1024
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:59,280
up and i couldn't remember

1025
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:01,040
i remembered mr gonzalez and i was

1026
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:02,880
trying to remember whether he was

1027
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:05,119
connected to roswell or to the alien

1028
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:09,040
autopsy right he was uh a member of t

1029
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:11,680
squadron that's right and you and dwight

1030
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:13,680
you and dwight schultz went over and

1031
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:15,359
made him a visit right

1032
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:16,960
oh that that's a hell of a story in

1033
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:18,319
itself

1034
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:21,200
oh boy yeah i remember that time when

1035
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:23,520
you when you guys went over there

1036
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:24,800
and um

1037
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:26,480
now

1038
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,400
what do you think was the real deal

1039
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:32,240
at roswell

1040
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:35,040
well of course now what we're getting

1041
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:39,760
into is my own personal speculation

1042
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:43,599
uh what do i think it was i think

1043
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:44,800
it was

1044
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:46,319
an alien

1045
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:48,079
extraterrestrial

1046
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:51,280
not of this world spaceship

1047
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:53,040
that's what i think

1048
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:55,280
now there are a lot of people that i'm

1049
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:58,160
sure would love to argue with me about

1050
00:47:02,630 --> 00:46:59,200
it

1051
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:02,640
but there are a number of reasons why i

1052
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:08,870
what the military

1053
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:11,920
did and how they acted

1054
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:15,599
toward civilian witnesses there

1055
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:19,359
and we at ufo magazine

1056
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:21,760
over the years tracked down a number of

1057
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:24,960
first-hand civilian witnesses

1058
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:28,160
to the event and and spoke with them

1059
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:33,280
uh i spoke with a retired military

1060
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:34,400
uh

1061
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:36,720
god what was he a brigadier or a

1062
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:38,800
lieutenant general

1063
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:41,760
that was involved with that case as a

1064
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:43,760
matter of fact i've got a tape recording

1065
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:45,839
of that somewhere here

1066
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:48,960
uh the guy that i that i spoke with

1067
00:47:54,550 --> 00:47:53,760
and he made it very plain and very clear

1068
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:54,560
that

1069
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:56,079
the

1070
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:00,720
having puppies

1071
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:03,599
over this case at the time okay they

1072
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:05,599
were having puppies

1073
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:06,480
and

1074
00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:09,119
then when i when i discovered mr

1075
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:10,880
gonzalez

1076
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:13,920
and we went down to texas and i

1077
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:16,160
interviewed him down there and i still

1078
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:17,680
have the video

1079
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:21,599
tape of that renee uh

1080
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:23,520
mr gonzalez

1081
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:26,559
carved for me he was at the time he was

1082
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:28,480
an elderly man

1083
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:32,480
he was about 78 or 79 years old this was

1084
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:36,319
in april of 1994

1085
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:38,880
when dwight schultz and i and vicki went

1086
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:40,319
down there

1087
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:41,280
and

1088
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:42,960
he gave me

1089
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:45,280
four carved

1090
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:49,280
little figures of the occupants that he

1091
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:50,720
personally

1092
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:54,079
claimed to not only see three of them

1093
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:57,920
were dead but one of them he alleged to

1094
00:49:03,190 --> 00:48:58,720
me

1095
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:03,200
that he had communication with okay

1096
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:07,040
before this still living entity was

1097
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:08,559
carted away

1098
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:09,440
now

1099
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:12,000
was i there no of course not i wasn't

1100
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:13,680
even alive then

1101
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:14,480
but

1102
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:16,960
the man became

1103
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:19,280
very emotional

1104
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:22,240
now renee as you as you know

1105
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:23,280
you know

1106
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:27,200
for years i dealt with the public

1107
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:29,520
i dealt with the public as a police

1108
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:30,880
officer

1109
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:33,359
later i dealt with the public

1110
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:38,559
uh as a as a businessman in ufo magazine

1111
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:41,520
i had to be able to to do a halfway

1112
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:45,520
decent read on people and you you will

1113
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:48,880
know that i did not brook somebody

1114
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:50,079
trying to

1115
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:52,160
smoke me okay

1116
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:53,680
very polite

1117
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:55,359
i could read people

1118
00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:58,720
and this man was genuine when when he

1119
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:01,520
became emotional about that

1120
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:04,720
and whatever it was affected him

1121
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:06,880
deeply and as a matter of fact it

1122
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:09,280
affected a lot

1123
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:13,599
of those military veterans gonzalez was

1124
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:14,559
one

1125
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:16,319
that was affected

1126
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:18,720
years after the event

1127
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:23,200
uh like a number of other ones i was was

1128
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:24,559
familiar with

1129
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:27,760
became a very heavy drinker

1130
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:31,040
okay now granted a lot of those guys

1131
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:33,520
uh including gonzalez were world war ii

1132
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:36,240
veterans being a military vietnam

1133
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:39,119
veteran myself i know

1134
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:40,640
what war

1135
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:43,599
can can do to men okay

1136
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:44,480
sure

1137
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:45,599
this

1138
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:46,480
was

1139
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:48,400
something else

1140
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:50,240
jesse marcel

1141
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:53,040
senior okay major marcel

1142
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:56,880
was another man that was affected deeply

1143
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:58,880
and there there are a number of others

1144
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:01,040
that that you know i could i could spout

1145
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:03,359
off about how they were affected

1146
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:06,800
but uh i'm convinced that something

1147
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,680
of such a high degree of strangeness

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00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:11,040
happened

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00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:15,119
that uh there's no doubt in my mind why

1150
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:16,880
the military

1151
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:20,880
lied about roswell not once not twice

1152
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:22,559
but three times

1153
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:24,640
they lied about roswell

1154
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:27,440
publicly and it became public knowledge

1155
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,960
they lied about it

1156
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:30,720
and nobody has ever called them to

1157
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:34,319
account for that not the least of which

1158
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:35,359
was

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00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:38,640
representative u.s congressman stephen

1160
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:40,000
schiff

1161
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:43,200
right out of out of new mexico a man

1162
00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:46,880
that i interviewed on ufos tonight about

1163
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:50,319
this berry case

1164
00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:52,720
went to the gao

1165
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:55,119
okay the government accounting office to

1166
00:52:02,710 --> 00:51:59,680
get them to run a an investigation

1167
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:02,720
on what had happened in roswell not

1168
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:06,079
whether it was a ufo or an et craft or

1169
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:10,720
whatever but why against federal law

1170
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:12,960
over three years

1171
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:15,440
of military communications from the

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00:52:17,710 --> 00:52:16,960
509th

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00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:17,720
went

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00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:19,359
inexplicably

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00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:22,640
missing which of course encompassed that

1176
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:25,599
time period it went missing and now

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00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:29,040
today 70 years later almost there's no

1178
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:32,160
way in god's green earth will we ever

1179
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:33,119
know

1180
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:36,160
what documents were taken out of there

1181
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:39,040
and probably destroyed so this

1182
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:41,119
cover-up from top to bottom

1183
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:43,040
that's a travesty

1184
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:45,040
you know just a little sidebar to that

1185
00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:46,640
story

1186
00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:49,119
when i was doing strange universe it was

1187
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:52,640
in 96 or 97

1188
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:55,839
we were doing some show on it had to do

1189
00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:59,280
something with ufos and we were shooting

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00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:00,800
inside a little

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00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:03,839
gift shop in santa fe new mexico where

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00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:06,480
this lady had an alien

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00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:09,599
you know uh lying on a bench or or

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00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:11,839
something and you know it all kinds of

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00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:15,040
ufo uh memorabilia type uh stuff and

1196
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:17,359
little trotsky's in her store

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00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:18,319
well

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00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:21,040
when our crew got in her store she

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was telling them that her dad had been

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00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:26,480
had had been there

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00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:28,720
at roswell he was uh

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00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:30,640
part of that um

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00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:32,160
part of that group

1204
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:33,200
and

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00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:42,400
the show flew him down to santa fe to

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00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:43,440
interview

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00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:45,680
uh this witness

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00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:48,240
and he verified that the guy was a

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00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:50,559
witness uh and that no one had ever

1210
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:53,119
found before and he was the accountant

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00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:55,119
or an accountant

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00:54:01,510 --> 00:53:58,559
for the group and he told

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00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:01,520
kevin that uh and it was in our piece

1214
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:03,839
that he paid for

1215
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:10,230
after that incident yeah ask ask kevin

1216
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:12,640
about that oh boy

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00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:13,440
yeah

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00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:15,599
so i mean and of course i'm sure he's

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00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:18,800
gone now he was very elderly then he was

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00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:20,319
like you know

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00:54:25,990 --> 00:54:24,480
in home hospice care at that time so uh

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00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:26,000
you know i'm sure most of those are gone

1223
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:28,640
but i remember one of the best uh or the

1224
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:30,400
i guess maybe not the best witness

1225
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:32,160
necessarily but one of the ones that

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00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:33,280
really

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00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:34,640
kind of

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00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:37,359
uh i always remember

1229
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:39,200
and unfortunately i don't remember her

1230
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:44,790
frankie rowe

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00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:47,520
who was a young girl at the time and

1232
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:50,400
they scared her so badly my wife is

1233
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:52,480
always telling me if i could get rid of

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00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:56,880
all that trivia in my head

1235
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:00,079
money making schemes we'd both be doing

1236
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:05,670
that's funny

1237
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:08,240
well goodness so yeah frankie rose she

1238
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:10,880
was a good witness also um

1239
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:14,079
glenn dennis the funeral director right

1240
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:16,720
and uh i guess that's where

1241
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:22,160
uh the accountant guy probably uh

1242
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:25,200
obtained the tiny coffins

1243
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:27,920
there's absolutely no

1244
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:30,240
doubt in my mind

1245
00:55:36,790 --> 00:55:31,839
whatsoever

1246
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:36,800
that whatever happened in roswell it was

1247
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:37,680
not

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00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:40,160
a prosaic experience

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00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:42,400
you know i it for years

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00:55:44,790 --> 00:55:43,520
uh

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00:55:46,829 --> 00:55:44,800
i i

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00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:46,839
butted heads

1253
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:49,599
specifically with some of the most

1254
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:50,880
well-known

1255
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:52,160
skeptics

1256
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:54,400
about this field okay

1257
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:57,760
in this field people like philip class

1258
00:56:03,030 --> 00:55:59,520
jim oberg

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00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:03,040
bob shafer i mean you know

1260
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:06,000
michael shermer name them and at one

1261
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:08,480
point or another i've had an argument

1262
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:12,160
with them either on or off the air

1263
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:14,720
and the bottom line is the bottom line

1264
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:15,599
is

1265
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:19,680
the level of research that these guys

1266
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:21,599
have never done

1267
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:24,799
about this case it makes me wonder how

1268
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:26,880
the majority of them can look at

1269
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:28,160
themselves

1270
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:31,920
in the mirror okay because they are

1271
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:35,040
as a rule totally ignorant of the facts

1272
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:38,160
surrounding these cases

1273
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:40,079
on that note we're going to take another

1274
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:43,040
break and when we come back more on

1275
00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:45,920
historical ufo cases including some

1276
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:48,640
written i mean some recent comments that

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00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:51,280
have come out on the rendelsham forest

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incident

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so we will be right back with don ecker

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hear it hey actually there were some

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people in the uh chat room i think would

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be interested in your music show too so

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tell us about both of those oh sure uh

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dark matters radio is my rock and roll

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vicious vinyl

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don eckers sex drugs

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rock and roll where usually what we're

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zeroing in on

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coming up on friday is a new christmas

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i just did it will be airing tomorrow

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for the first time

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called vicious vinyl don eckers a

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twisted

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christmas so this this is a little bit

1416
01:03:40,069 --> 01:03:35,520
different than your traditional

1417
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:41,109
maybe

1418
01:03:47,190 --> 01:03:44,400
christmas spirit before we listen to

1419
01:03:49,750 --> 01:03:47,200
that show no it's it's it's

1420
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:49,760
it's not you know it's not nasty no i'm

1421
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:52,079
talking about the kind that you drink oh

1422
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:53,920
yeah oh well

1423
01:03:59,029 --> 01:03:55,680
yes absolutely i should have said

1424
01:04:02,150 --> 01:03:59,039
christmas spirits little eggnog goes a

1425
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:02,160
long way you bet

1426
01:04:06,789 --> 01:04:04,400
well that's great so thanks uh

1427
01:04:10,470 --> 01:04:06,799
thanks so much i shared that link in the

1428
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:10,480
chat room that's dqrm.com

1429
01:04:15,109 --> 01:04:12,480
for dark matters radio

1430
01:04:18,230 --> 01:04:15,119
and for vicious vinyl

1431
01:04:20,630 --> 01:04:18,240
so look it up folks now um that's monday

1432
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:20,640
through friday you said it nine pacific

1433
01:04:25,029 --> 01:04:23,760
right or ten ten percent monday through

1434
01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:25,039
thursday

1435
01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:27,839
10 to midnight pacific

1436
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:30,960
friday 9 to 11 pacific

1437
01:04:35,109 --> 01:04:32,480
roger roger

1438
01:04:40,950 --> 01:04:37,589
jeff is saying the chat room uh asking

1439
01:04:43,589 --> 01:04:40,960
if dawn is the new dr demento

1440
01:04:44,710 --> 01:04:43,599
it sure sounds like it

1441
01:04:48,870 --> 01:04:44,720
anyway

1442
01:04:51,910 --> 01:04:48,880
back to the subject of ufos um

1443
01:04:53,190 --> 01:04:51,920
shall we move on or did you want to

1444
01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:53,200
did you have something else that you

1445
01:04:56,309 --> 01:04:54,480
wanted to say

1446
01:04:57,750 --> 01:04:56,319
uh before the

1447
01:04:59,670 --> 01:04:57,760
about what we're talking about before

1448
01:05:02,950 --> 01:04:59,680
the break i have some other stuff to ask

1449
01:05:06,309 --> 01:05:04,069
all right

1450
01:05:08,549 --> 01:05:06,319
now let's see there were some people

1451
01:05:10,710 --> 01:05:08,559
that were asking in the chat room i'm

1452
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:10,720
trying to get back to that question

1453
01:05:15,910 --> 01:05:12,160
um

1454
01:05:19,029 --> 01:05:15,920
oh someone brought up the phoenix lights

1455
01:05:22,150 --> 01:05:19,039
and you know how um

1456
01:05:24,630 --> 01:05:22,160
they tried to make that seem like such a

1457
01:05:27,029 --> 01:05:24,640
a joke and i guess the was it the

1458
01:05:29,589 --> 01:05:27,039
governor that that came out in in the

1459
01:05:31,990 --> 01:05:29,599
alien suit or something like that later

1460
01:05:34,390 --> 01:05:32,000
and yeah yeah well it not kind of poo

1461
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:34,400
poo'd at all one of his staff you see at

1462
01:05:40,710 --> 01:05:37,200
the time a lot of people now this is one

1463
01:05:43,750 --> 01:05:40,720
thing about the american public renee

1464
01:05:46,390 --> 01:05:43,760
most people in the public have an

1465
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:46,400
attention span

1466
01:05:52,870 --> 01:05:49,520
about the width of a gnat's

1467
01:05:54,470 --> 01:05:52,880
rear end okay i'm guilty

1468
01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:54,480
not very long

1469
01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:55,440
yeah

1470
01:05:59,750 --> 01:05:58,720
at that time the governor

1471
01:06:02,309 --> 01:05:59,760
was

1472
01:06:07,029 --> 01:06:02,319
having some problems

1473
01:06:08,549 --> 01:06:07,039
shall we say where he was leaving office

1474
01:06:11,430 --> 01:06:08,559
not all

1475
01:06:14,230 --> 01:06:11,440
according to his own wishes

1476
01:06:16,789 --> 01:06:14,240
all right there there were some legal

1477
01:06:19,910 --> 01:06:16,799
things staring at him

1478
01:06:22,870 --> 01:06:19,920
so i have always suspected

1479
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:22,880
that somebody put a little

1480
01:06:27,829 --> 01:06:24,960
pressure on him

1481
01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:27,839
to defuse this now the air force went

1482
01:06:31,990 --> 01:06:29,440
out of their way

1483
01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:32,000
to try to convince everybody that it

1484
01:06:39,109 --> 01:06:35,119
they were only seeing

1485
01:06:40,710 --> 01:06:39,119
uh the dropping of flares from aircraft

1486
01:06:41,589 --> 01:06:40,720
and that kind of thing

1487
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:41,599
no

1488
01:06:44,710 --> 01:06:43,280
there was

1489
01:06:47,029 --> 01:06:44,720
something

1490
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:47,039
of a tremendous

1491
01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:48,240
size

1492
01:06:55,029 --> 01:06:51,520
flying over the skies of phoenix now

1493
01:06:59,349 --> 01:06:55,039
uh shortly after that and we at ufo

1494
01:07:01,510 --> 01:06:59,359
magazine covered that story extensively

1495
01:07:03,190 --> 01:07:01,520
we called up the air force base down

1496
01:07:04,950 --> 01:07:03,200
there we spoke to their public

1497
01:07:08,069 --> 01:07:04,960
information people

1498
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:08,079
we spoke to francis barwood

1499
01:07:11,270 --> 01:07:09,599
and you know

1500
01:07:13,990 --> 01:07:11,280
that's right

1501
01:07:17,109 --> 01:07:14,000
she was a was she the mayor or city

1502
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:17,119
councilman city councilwoman yeah

1503
01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:19,920
we spoke to her we spoke to witnesses

1504
01:07:24,069 --> 01:07:21,119
down there

1505
01:07:27,190 --> 01:07:24,079
and i also

1506
01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:27,200
shortly thereafter spoke with george

1507
01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:32,559
knapp klas tv channel 8 news reporter

1508
01:07:37,109 --> 01:07:35,760
in las vegas a lot of people are not

1509
01:07:41,190 --> 01:07:37,119
aware

1510
01:07:45,910 --> 01:07:41,200
that there was apparently

1511
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:45,920
this same object that night in question

1512
01:07:51,589 --> 01:07:49,200
that was also seen over the skies of

1513
01:07:53,430 --> 01:07:51,599
nevada

1514
01:07:55,750 --> 01:07:53,440
and they tracked it

1515
01:07:57,029 --> 01:07:55,760
they tracked it according to what knapp

1516
01:08:00,150 --> 01:07:57,039
told me

1517
01:08:02,150 --> 01:08:00,160
they tracked it in a line going directly

1518
01:08:04,630 --> 01:08:02,160
toward phoenix

1519
01:08:07,270 --> 01:08:04,640
so whatever it was

1520
01:08:09,910 --> 01:08:07,280
whether it was some type of

1521
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:09,920
top secret military experimental

1522
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:13,440
aircraft whether it was an alien ship

1523
01:08:17,590 --> 01:08:15,839
whether it was something from somewhere

1524
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:17,600
else i have no idea

1525
01:08:25,910 --> 01:08:20,640
but the fact that it was there in my

1526
01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:27,189
wow

1527
01:08:31,669 --> 01:08:28,880
yeah what do you think do you think it

1528
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:31,679
was another a a case of something

1529
01:08:36,070 --> 01:08:33,359
otherworldly or do you think it was

1530
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:36,080
military to me it seemed like something

1531
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:37,199
else

1532
01:08:56,870 --> 01:08:38,480
i

1533
01:08:59,910 --> 01:08:56,880
well you know um before we get too far

1534
01:09:01,110 --> 01:08:59,920
down the road here i i did uh

1535
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:01,120
tell everyone that we're going to be

1536
01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:04,080
talking about the rendelsham forest

1537
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:05,120
incident

1538
01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:06,400
that was

1539
01:09:12,229 --> 01:09:10,560
in 1980 i believe christmas

1540
01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:12,239
i was going to say december what are

1541
01:09:15,749 --> 01:09:14,080
these descent all these ufos show up in

1542
01:09:17,189 --> 01:09:15,759
december all the time

1543
01:09:19,669 --> 01:09:17,199
um

1544
01:09:21,749 --> 01:09:19,679
but it was uh something came out

1545
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:21,759
recently you know we were going to have

1546
01:09:27,030 --> 01:09:24,799
larry warren on this show uh several

1547
01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:27,040
weeks back and we had some technical

1548
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:29,120
problems uh making the connection with

1549
01:09:34,709 --> 01:09:31,440
him but we were having larry warren and

1550
01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:34,719
john burroughs and other uh witness to

1551
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:36,239
the rfi

1552
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:39,359
incident and

1553
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:42,000
so we went ahead with john burroughs but

1554
01:09:47,590 --> 01:09:45,120
since that time something has come out

1555
01:09:49,990 --> 01:09:47,600
colonel halt has made some sort of a

1556
01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:50,000
statement and i know that you recently

1557
01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:52,960
had larry on your show and

1558
01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:54,880
talking about that very thing so can you

1559
01:09:59,669 --> 01:09:57,360
share with us a little bit about uh what

1560
01:10:03,430 --> 01:09:59,679
that was that colonel halt

1561
01:10:05,430 --> 01:10:03,440
had said that had uh larry warren so up

1562
01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:05,440
in arms and and and what do you think

1563
01:10:11,430 --> 01:10:07,840
about that whole world before before i

1564
01:10:13,590 --> 01:10:11,440
hit that let me let me preface it by by

1565
01:10:15,189 --> 01:10:13,600
saying this

1566
01:10:17,110 --> 01:10:15,199
i began

1567
01:10:19,750 --> 01:10:17,120
dark matters

1568
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:19,760
with an s radio

1569
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:22,239
in 2003

1570
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:23,520
all right

1571
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:26,400
we first started broadcasting

1572
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:29,600
we myself and dwight schultz

1573
01:10:38,870 --> 01:10:37,510
i had dark matters

1574
01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:38,880
radio

1575
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:41,760
until a year or so back

1576
01:10:49,189 --> 01:10:45,360
when art del after years long

1577
01:10:51,590 --> 01:10:49,199
absence from the radio airwaves

1578
01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:51,600
back when he was doing coast to coast

1579
01:10:54,390 --> 01:10:53,440
then he dropped off the face of the

1580
01:10:57,430 --> 01:10:54,400
earth

1581
01:11:00,310 --> 01:10:57,440
came back for a short stint

1582
01:11:03,510 --> 01:11:00,320
on sirius radio

1583
01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:03,520
before he left again he pulled the plug

1584
01:11:08,229 --> 01:11:06,480
on himself and when he came back lo and

1585
01:11:12,470 --> 01:11:08,239
behold

1586
01:11:14,470 --> 01:11:12,480
he was doing dark matter okay now

1587
01:11:16,870 --> 01:11:14,480
there's an obvious

1588
01:11:18,070 --> 01:11:16,880
similarity between

1589
01:11:19,270 --> 01:11:18,080
okay

1590
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:19,280
yeah

1591
01:11:24,830 --> 01:11:21,840
he claimed later well i didn't know don

1592
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:24,840
ecker was was uh doing dark matters

1593
01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:29,679
radio well if this wasn't a family show

1594
01:11:33,430 --> 01:11:32,640
i would say something bovine excrement

1595
01:11:37,990 --> 01:11:33,440
okay

1596
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:38,000
but this is a family show

1597
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:41,040
art bell knows me very well i think you

1598
01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:43,679
would agree with that wouldn't you renee

1599
01:11:46,550 --> 01:11:44,560
yes

1600
01:11:48,709 --> 01:11:46,560
and it's not it's not like i've ever

1601
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:48,719
hidden my radio show

1602
01:11:53,669 --> 01:11:52,080
so last week i wake up like i usually do

1603
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:53,679
at 6 00 am

1604
01:11:59,430 --> 01:11:56,560
i wandered out into the kitchen

1605
01:12:02,390 --> 01:11:59,440
i poured myself a cup of wake up a cup

1606
01:12:03,270 --> 01:12:02,400
of coffee sat down at my dining room

1607
01:12:05,590 --> 01:12:03,280
table

1608
01:12:09,750 --> 01:12:05,600
turned on my mobile phone

1609
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:09,760
and i scanned my email and facebook

1610
01:12:15,750 --> 01:12:13,199
and lo and behold i see a note up there

1611
01:12:18,310 --> 01:12:15,760
from larry warren saying

1612
01:12:23,189 --> 01:12:18,320
something about him being slandered and

1613
01:12:26,229 --> 01:12:23,199
libeled on dark matters radio now

1614
01:12:27,990 --> 01:12:26,239
i saw that i saw that yeah yeah and i

1615
01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:28,000
know darned well

1616
01:12:31,590 --> 01:12:29,440
he wasn't

1617
01:12:33,030 --> 01:12:31,600
so i put a note up there and i said uh

1618
01:12:34,470 --> 01:12:33,040
larry i don't know what you're talking

1619
01:12:36,790 --> 01:12:34,480
about but

1620
01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:36,800
i'm the host and owner of dark matters

1621
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:38,960
radio and no such show

1622
01:12:46,630 --> 01:12:42,640
took place well as it turned out

1623
01:12:49,030 --> 01:12:46,640
it was on the quote unquote dark matter

1624
01:12:50,390 --> 01:12:49,040
network radio network

1625
01:12:52,070 --> 01:12:50,400
right

1626
01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:52,080
and there was a guy by the name of

1627
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:54,640
martin willis that was interviewing

1628
01:12:58,870 --> 01:12:57,280
burroughs and charles halt

1629
01:13:01,590 --> 01:12:58,880
now charles hall

1630
01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:01,600
is the retired air force colonel

1631
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:05,040
that was a deputy base commander and so

1632
01:13:09,910 --> 01:13:07,840
i ended up listening to that show just

1633
01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:09,920
to see what in the heck they were all

1634
01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:11,600
talking about

1635
01:13:15,669 --> 01:13:13,120
and halt

1636
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:15,679
made a remark

1637
01:13:21,669 --> 01:13:19,360
that is still reverberating around

1638
01:13:23,189 --> 01:13:21,679
paranormal circles

1639
01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:23,199
claiming that and i'm going to

1640
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:25,120
paraphrase it for you

1641
01:13:30,149 --> 01:13:28,960
okay he has it on somebody's good

1642
01:13:32,149 --> 01:13:30,159
authority

1643
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:32,159
that he knows

1644
01:13:38,149 --> 01:13:36,159
and trust very carefully and faithfully

1645
01:13:42,709 --> 01:13:38,159
and heard

1646
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:42,719
what appears to be an abduction session

1647
01:13:48,630 --> 01:13:46,560
that warren did with of all people bud

1648
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:48,640
hopkins and of course bud now is

1649
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:49,920
deceased

1650
01:13:54,149 --> 01:13:51,760
as we all know

1651
01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:54,159
and halt claimed

1652
01:14:00,550 --> 01:13:57,280
that warren was a quote unquote

1653
01:14:02,550 --> 01:14:00,560
substance abuser

1654
01:14:05,510 --> 01:14:02,560
now what's that what's that say to you

1655
01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:06,550
well

1656
01:14:11,669 --> 01:14:08,800
okay i guess i'm not

1657
01:14:15,510 --> 01:14:11,679
understanding halt said

1658
01:14:19,270 --> 01:14:15,520
said that warren was a substance abuser

1659
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:19,280
in other words he was he he's on drugs

1660
01:14:25,990 --> 01:14:22,640
he's on drugs yeah now warren lives in

1661
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:26,000
the united kingdom that's right he works

1662
01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:30,159
for some type of security operation over

1663
01:14:32,229 --> 01:14:31,360
there

1664
01:14:34,870 --> 01:14:32,239
where

1665
01:14:37,669 --> 01:14:34,880
before you can become employed you've

1666
01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:37,679
got to take drug tests and

1667
01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:39,840
you've got to have a criminal background

1668
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:42,960
investigation conducted on you

1669
01:14:48,229 --> 01:14:45,120
and warren was

1670
01:14:49,669 --> 01:14:48,239
livid rightly so

1671
01:14:54,070 --> 01:14:49,679
livid

1672
01:14:56,470 --> 01:14:54,080
i mean if i ever in my life saw a case

1673
01:14:58,229 --> 01:14:56,480
that my attorney would love to get his

1674
01:14:59,590 --> 01:14:58,239
hands on

1675
01:15:00,630 --> 01:14:59,600
it's what

1676
01:15:03,110 --> 01:15:00,640
halt

1677
01:15:05,590 --> 01:15:03,120
said on that radio program

1678
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:05,600
and before it's all said and done he he

1679
01:15:12,950 --> 01:15:09,040
possibly may regret having said that

1680
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:12,960
so well i i i hope so you know

1681
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:16,400
he shouldn't have said that and um but

1682
01:15:21,430 --> 01:15:18,800
the thing of it is did he protect

1683
01:15:24,790 --> 01:15:21,440
himself legally by saying

1684
01:15:27,430 --> 01:15:24,800
this is what i was told i'm not saying

1685
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:27,440
this you understand but somebody told me

1686
01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:30,560
this well he did he did specify that he

1687
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:34,080
had it on good authority okay

1688
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:35,760
good a sword

1689
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:37,360
now

1690
01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:40,560
i put on my detective hat

1691
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:41,520
and

1692
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:44,880
i'm about 97

1693
01:15:48,310 --> 01:15:46,320
sure

1694
01:15:50,390 --> 01:15:48,320
i know exactly

1695
01:15:51,669 --> 01:15:50,400
who halt was talking about i'm not going

1696
01:15:54,310 --> 01:15:51,679
to name

1697
01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:54,320
her name

1698
01:15:57,830 --> 01:15:56,560
but i'm 97

1699
01:15:59,270 --> 01:15:57,840
sure

1700
01:16:01,910 --> 01:15:59,280
who it was

1701
01:16:05,110 --> 01:16:01,920
that made that remark to him now

1702
01:16:07,110 --> 01:16:05,120
i brought warren is it a name that we

1703
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:07,120
would know yes

1704
01:16:13,750 --> 01:16:10,480
okay i invited i invited larry warren on

1705
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:13,760
the dark matters radio and we ran it uh

1706
01:16:18,550 --> 01:16:16,560
beginning of the week okay on monday

1707
01:16:20,870 --> 01:16:18,560
and as a matter of fact it's in my it's

1708
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:20,880
in my radio archives now

1709
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:24,480
it was a very pointed show

1710
01:16:31,189 --> 01:16:28,239
and he very forcefully refuted these

1711
01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:31,199
allegations it's it's a show if you have

1712
01:16:33,270 --> 01:16:31,920
a

1713
01:16:36,229 --> 01:16:33,280
uh

1714
01:16:38,950 --> 01:16:36,239
an interest in these matters and

1715
01:16:41,350 --> 01:16:38,960
rendelsham in particular

1716
01:16:42,790 --> 01:16:41,360
it's a show that you should listen to

1717
01:16:46,149 --> 01:16:42,800
and it's available for

1718
01:16:48,870 --> 01:16:46,159
for download or streaming online

1719
01:16:51,750 --> 01:16:48,880
great and that's on that same website

1720
01:16:55,669 --> 01:16:51,760
that we gave out earlier right well that

1721
01:16:58,310 --> 01:16:55,679
it's that website is for live listening

1722
01:17:01,590 --> 01:16:58,320
but it has an icon there for dark

1723
01:17:04,950 --> 01:17:01,600
matters radio if you click on the icon

1724
01:17:07,350 --> 01:17:04,960
it will take you directly to my archives

1725
01:17:09,910 --> 01:17:07,360
oh fantastic yeah that would be a good

1726
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:09,920
one to catch

1727
01:17:14,870 --> 01:17:12,960
and what did um

1728
01:17:17,669 --> 01:17:14,880
well i guess i know what larry said he

1729
01:17:20,310 --> 01:17:17,679
said it was not true and the fact that

1730
01:17:22,950 --> 01:17:20,320
he has to be drug tested for his job

1731
01:17:25,270 --> 01:17:22,960
so he has to prove it all the time

1732
01:17:26,870 --> 01:17:25,280
now is he planning to take any legal

1733
01:17:28,149 --> 01:17:26,880
action that you know of

1734
01:17:35,830 --> 01:17:28,159
he

1735
01:17:38,470 --> 01:17:35,840
want to speak for for him

1736
01:17:40,709 --> 01:17:38,480
yeah you know he he should that's

1737
01:17:43,110 --> 01:17:40,719
probably you know i can imagine how that

1738
01:17:45,750 --> 01:17:43,120
would be a serious consideration number

1739
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:45,760
one just the expense of

1740
01:17:50,470 --> 01:17:48,719
you know of uh finding a legal case like

1741
01:17:52,390 --> 01:17:50,480
that but you know he should do some

1742
01:17:55,189 --> 01:17:52,400
crowdfunding or something i bet a lot of

1743
01:17:56,709 --> 01:17:55,199
ufo backers and buffs and people that

1744
01:17:57,510 --> 01:17:56,719
are interested

1745
01:17:58,950 --> 01:17:57,520
uh

1746
01:18:00,790 --> 01:17:58,960
might be interested in seeing a case

1747
01:18:03,990 --> 01:18:00,800
like that come to court

1748
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:04,000
yeah he he was he was very upset because

1749
01:18:10,390 --> 01:18:07,600
it's more than just even his job

1750
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:10,400
uh he and his ex-wife

1751
01:18:14,630 --> 01:18:12,800
which incidentally i might add i was

1752
01:18:16,470 --> 01:18:14,640
best man

1753
01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:16,480
when he got married i don't know i

1754
01:18:21,270 --> 01:18:17,600
didn't know that

1755
01:18:24,310 --> 01:18:21,280
yeah and vicki uh my wife stood

1756
01:18:27,350 --> 01:18:24,320
with his wife when oh

1757
01:18:29,669 --> 01:18:27,360
they've now got a a son that's i don't

1758
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:29,679
know 13 14

1759
01:18:33,830 --> 01:18:31,120
years

1760
01:18:37,990 --> 01:18:33,840
and something like that could even

1761
01:18:41,149 --> 01:18:38,000
interfere with his visitation over there

1762
01:18:43,830 --> 01:18:41,159
so i mean you know there are a lot of

1763
01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:43,840
ramifications for making a

1764
01:18:48,950 --> 01:18:46,880
an allegation like that you know it's

1765
01:18:51,590 --> 01:18:48,960
just and it's obvious to me i mean you

1766
01:18:56,630 --> 01:18:51,600
know hey i read between the lines

1767
01:18:58,870 --> 01:18:56,640
uh in my opinion uh colonel halp has a

1768
01:19:03,110 --> 01:18:58,880
lot of resentment

1769
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:03,120
and anger in him and it's directed at at

1770
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:13,910
yeah i wonder why at him particularly

1771
01:19:21,189 --> 01:19:18,070
well uh larry was the first guy

1772
01:19:22,950 --> 01:19:21,199
to break the code of silence

1773
01:19:25,830 --> 01:19:22,960
on that incident

1774
01:19:27,990 --> 01:19:25,840
oh i see during that show

1775
01:19:29,430 --> 01:19:28,000
that i did with warren

1776
01:19:33,430 --> 01:19:29,440
on monday

1777
01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:33,440
i played an excerpt from an interview i

1778
01:19:39,189 --> 01:19:35,280
did with

1779
01:19:40,390 --> 01:19:39,199
former cnn news correspondent chuck

1780
01:19:44,229 --> 01:19:40,400
de carro

1781
01:19:48,070 --> 01:19:44,239
who is the guy that broke the bentwaters

1782
01:19:50,470 --> 01:19:48,080
rundlesham forest case on cnn back in 84

1783
01:19:53,189 --> 01:19:50,480
do you recall that

1784
01:19:55,590 --> 01:19:53,199
you know i do not remember seeing that

1785
01:19:57,750 --> 01:19:55,600
on television you know commensurate with

1786
01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:57,760
the event i just remember hearing about

1787
01:20:02,310 --> 01:19:59,760
it later and then of course all the

1788
01:20:05,430 --> 01:20:02,320
coverage that you know ufo magazine did

1789
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:05,440
well we i interviewed de caro on on ufos

1790
01:20:09,990 --> 01:20:07,520
tonight

1791
01:20:12,709 --> 01:20:10,000
oh yes i remember that and i remember

1792
01:20:16,390 --> 01:20:12,719
also larry warren coming to our offices

1793
01:20:20,950 --> 01:20:16,400
right ufo magazine yeah with russ estes

1794
01:20:24,149 --> 01:20:20,960
right and i i uh i played an excerpt of

1795
01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:24,159
of that chuck de caro interview i did

1796
01:20:27,669 --> 01:20:26,400
where he talks about uh

1797
01:20:29,830 --> 01:20:27,679
uh

1798
01:20:30,830 --> 01:20:29,840
larry fossett

1799
01:20:33,669 --> 01:20:30,840
was

1800
01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:33,679
actually the guy

1801
01:20:39,430 --> 01:20:36,960
that put to carol onto larry warren

1802
01:20:42,709 --> 01:20:39,440
larry fawcett of course

1803
01:20:43,590 --> 01:20:42,719
and barry greenwood wrote the definitive

1804
01:20:50,630 --> 01:20:43,600
book

1805
01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:51,750
so

1806
01:20:55,830 --> 01:20:53,760
larry fossett was the guy that

1807
01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:55,840
introduced larry warren

1808
01:21:01,189 --> 01:20:58,000
to chuck de caro and then everything

1809
01:21:02,709 --> 01:21:01,199
from that point forward is history

1810
01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:02,719
but

1811
01:21:08,149 --> 01:21:05,600
the thing that you gotta know about this

1812
01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:08,159
case when i say that halt

1813
01:21:15,430 --> 01:21:11,760
has a lot of resentment when halt's name

1814
01:21:18,950 --> 01:21:15,440
became publicly affiliated to a

1815
01:21:21,669 --> 01:21:18,960
ufo case that took place in a foreign

1816
01:21:25,990 --> 01:21:21,679
country the united kingdom on an air

1817
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:26,000
force base that housed nuclear weapons

1818
01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:33,030
oh

1819
01:21:36,470 --> 01:21:34,550
and but

1820
01:21:38,470 --> 01:21:36,480
why

1821
01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:38,480
because that's just the way the military

1822
01:21:47,669 --> 01:21:46,149
he brought unwanted illumination

1823
01:21:49,910 --> 01:21:47,679
on something you got to remember what

1824
01:21:52,070 --> 01:21:49,920
the hell was going on then but how did

1825
01:21:54,470 --> 01:21:52,080
he bring the illumination

1826
01:21:55,990 --> 01:21:54,480
i mean i'm not defending halt his

1827
01:21:57,350 --> 01:21:56,000
memorandum

1828
01:21:59,830 --> 01:21:57,360
his mind

1829
01:22:02,709 --> 01:21:59,840
became public okay

1830
01:22:03,990 --> 01:22:02,719
his tape recorder that that he was

1831
01:22:06,390 --> 01:22:04,000
recording

1832
01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:06,400
what was happening out in the woods when

1833
01:22:11,430 --> 01:22:08,719
he was out there investigating

1834
01:22:14,149 --> 01:22:11,440
those lights i mean there's there's a

1835
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:14,159
lot of things that uh

1836
01:22:21,510 --> 01:22:17,280
there's a lot of things that you know

1837
01:22:28,310 --> 01:22:22,830
yeah

1838
01:22:30,470 --> 01:22:28,320
questions even to this day

1839
01:22:32,229 --> 01:22:30,480
on so many of these cases well on every

1840
01:22:33,990 --> 01:22:32,239
one of them really

1841
01:22:36,070 --> 01:22:34,000
but

1842
01:22:39,830 --> 01:22:36,080
we're down now toward the very end of

1843
01:22:41,189 --> 01:22:39,840
the show what do you think is the best

1844
01:22:42,470 --> 01:22:41,199
evidence

1845
01:22:45,390 --> 01:22:42,480
for

1846
01:22:48,229 --> 01:22:45,400
the fact that we are being visited by

1847
01:22:50,790 --> 01:22:48,239
extraterrestrials or those from from

1848
01:22:53,270 --> 01:22:50,800
elsewhere

1849
01:22:58,470 --> 01:22:53,280
you think it's roswell

1850
01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:02,229
take a look at what might be considered

1851
01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:05,040
some of the best evidence

1852
01:23:11,189 --> 01:23:08,560
i would have to point to uh and it's

1853
01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:11,199
gonna sound like i'm polishing

1854
01:23:17,910 --> 01:23:15,120
i'm polishing my uh my ufo badge

1855
01:23:20,790 --> 01:23:17,920
but it would have to be two cases that i

1856
01:23:21,950 --> 01:23:20,800
personally broke

1857
01:23:31,110 --> 01:23:21,960
on

1858
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:31,120
phobos 2 probe all right

1859
01:23:37,189 --> 01:23:34,560
okay talk about sts-48 first we got like

1860
01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:37,199
four minutes to go or less so

1861
01:23:39,830 --> 01:23:39,040
i wish i hadn't

1862
01:23:42,149 --> 01:23:39,840
uh

1863
01:23:45,110 --> 01:23:42,159
put this to so long i i totally meant to

1864
01:23:47,750 --> 01:23:45,120
bring up sts-48 at the at the beginning

1865
01:23:49,830 --> 01:23:47,760
and i talked to jeff about that earlier

1866
01:23:51,830 --> 01:23:49,840
and he he mentioned it too

1867
01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:51,840
so the sts-48

1868
01:23:59,510 --> 01:23:54,000
there was footage

1869
01:24:06,310 --> 01:24:02,390
there was a shuttle mission that was

1870
01:24:08,390 --> 01:24:06,320
in earth orbit and at the time of this

1871
01:24:11,189 --> 01:24:08,400
infamous incident

1872
01:24:12,629 --> 01:24:11,199
it was flying over new zealand and

1873
01:24:15,110 --> 01:24:12,639
australia

1874
01:24:17,189 --> 01:24:15,120
and it was shooting a live

1875
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:17,199
feed okay

1876
01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:21,120
down to earth based stations and this

1877
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:24,000
anomalous object

1878
01:24:30,870 --> 01:24:27,760
rose above the limb of the earth

1879
01:24:33,910 --> 01:24:30,880
and was flying in a very leisurely

1880
01:24:36,070 --> 01:24:33,920
motion across the screen

1881
01:24:40,070 --> 01:24:36,080
when suddenly

1882
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:40,080
there was this huge explosion

1883
01:24:43,750 --> 01:24:41,440
of light

1884
01:24:46,229 --> 01:24:43,760
that affected the camera and this was

1885
01:24:47,910 --> 01:24:46,239
all in lifetime

1886
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:47,920
and suddenly

1887
01:24:55,270 --> 01:24:51,600
from off screen then it was on screen

1888
01:24:57,510 --> 01:24:55,280
something was streaking directly at this

1889
01:24:58,470 --> 01:24:57,520
object

1890
01:25:03,110 --> 01:24:58,480
suddenly

1891
01:25:06,229 --> 01:25:03,120
the object took an uh uh just a a

1892
01:25:09,510 --> 01:25:06,239
violent right angle turn

1893
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:09,520
motion quadrupling its speed

1894
01:25:16,229 --> 01:25:12,400
and shot out into space

1895
01:25:21,430 --> 01:25:16,239
and whatever was firing at it missed it

1896
01:25:24,830 --> 01:25:21,440
then this object circled back around now

1897
01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:24,840
that is when you talk about a smoking

1898
01:25:31,750 --> 01:25:28,480
gun of an anomalous object and what

1899
01:25:33,669 --> 01:25:31,760
could only be a weapons firing of some

1900
01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:33,679
type at it

1901
01:25:37,270 --> 01:25:35,840
this was uh

1902
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:37,280
you know

1903
01:25:43,590 --> 01:25:40,400
this golden it was golden

1904
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:43,600
i ended up breaking that first on

1905
01:25:48,310 --> 01:25:45,360
nbc

1906
01:25:49,510 --> 01:25:48,320
okay on hard copy one of the producers

1907
01:25:52,070 --> 01:25:49,520
over there

1908
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:52,080
uh i knew dean ballas do you remember

1909
01:25:57,830 --> 01:25:55,199
him renee i do i do we've got about 30

1910
01:26:01,030 --> 01:25:57,840
seconds just uh and then on on larry

1911
01:26:03,270 --> 01:26:01,040
king live king live is the main one i

1912
01:26:05,430 --> 01:26:03,280
remember because that show even larry

1913
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:05,440
king said we'll be right back with don

1914
01:26:12,310 --> 01:26:09,840
ecker live instead of larry king live

1915
01:26:14,550 --> 01:26:12,320
what he said was i hope you've enjoyed

1916
01:26:17,270 --> 01:26:14,560
oh that's right this edition of don

1917
01:26:19,669 --> 01:26:17,280
ecker live

1918
01:26:22,870 --> 01:26:19,679
well i hope my listeners have enjoyed

1919
01:26:24,550 --> 01:26:22,880
this edition of dawn eckerlive and don

1920
01:26:26,229 --> 01:26:24,560
everybody is saying we've got to get you

1921
01:26:28,149 --> 01:26:26,239
back got to get you back

1922
01:26:29,910 --> 01:26:28,159
and i was telling the chat roommates

1923
01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:29,920
that i was also going to have to get

1924
01:26:36,310 --> 01:26:32,239
vicki on one of these nights too

1925
01:26:38,950 --> 01:26:36,320
because she's got a lot to tell about uh

1926
01:26:41,189 --> 01:26:38,960
her experiences in the production of the

1927
01:26:42,790 --> 01:26:41,199
magazine ufo magazine and the founding

1928
01:26:45,350 --> 01:26:42,800
of it so

1929
01:26:47,510 --> 01:26:45,360
that's fine that's my lovely bride by

1930
01:26:49,270 --> 01:26:47,520
the way that's right that's right i can

1931
01:26:50,470 --> 01:26:49,280
attest to that i was there for the

1932
01:26:51,910 --> 01:26:50,480
marriage

1933
01:26:57,189 --> 01:26:51,920
so

1934
01:26:59,510 --> 01:26:57,199
really appreciate it

1935
01:27:00,629 --> 01:26:59,520
darling as always it's a distinct

1936
01:27:03,590 --> 01:27:00,639
pleasure

1937
01:27:06,149 --> 01:27:03,600
oh thanks so much and will you come back

1938
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:06,159
absolutely all right well we gotta make

1939
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:09,840
it soon and uh you gotta uh make vicki

1940
01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:12,000
agree to come on too she doesn't like to

1941
01:27:16,790 --> 01:27:14,400
speak publicly but she does such a great

1942
01:27:20,390 --> 01:27:16,800
job when she does you know she always

1943
01:27:22,149 --> 01:27:20,400
says oh i can't think of anything to say

1944
01:27:23,750 --> 01:27:22,159
and then you know for the next hour and

1945
01:27:26,149 --> 01:27:23,760
a half you're trying to get her to shut

1946
01:27:28,470 --> 01:27:26,159
up so yeah

1947
01:27:31,189 --> 01:27:28,480
and that's the truth well give her my

1948
01:27:33,430 --> 01:27:31,199
love and we will talk soon thanks

1949
01:27:36,229 --> 01:27:33,440
everybody for listening i hope everyone

1950
01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:36,239
has a wonderful holiday and